Harbor Q & A
We have had a lot of fun on this page digging into such important queries as the legend of the Popeye Rock , why is Cat Harbor so named, what's the scoop on sidewalks in this rustic setting, what's the best pasty recipe, is Eagle Harbor the Mecca of International Guts Frisbee?. Some of us have even learned a few things.
These weighty topics are among several unanswered questions I, and perhaps you, have about Eagle Harbor. This "Question and Answer", or Harbor Q & A, addition to George's Eagle Harbor Web is a forum for Eagle Harborites to pose and answer such questions. So join in the fun. Substance and triva are equally welcomed, as are fact and fancy. Watch for your question, your answer.
Eagle Harbor Q & A
(From Thomas Ellis, 1/30)"The object in up in copper falls.Its built over a mine shaft so that bats can live in there."
(From Beth Van Hoosier, 1/30)" That has to be an alien porta potty !
(From Elaine Wildman, 1/30)"Your mystery picture is the bat outlet from an old mining opening --- found on a turnoff from the Central road. How neat to see it in winter. Did you take the picture? I've gone there in an early evening to see the bats come out."
(From Stumped Downer Peninsula, 1/30) "I know I've seen that mine cap, that they bothered to paint it blue and marked graduations struck me odd. I can't figure out for the life of me where I've seen it though - here's hoping you tell us before I go mad. It seemed like I'd seen it at/near the Kingston (but I would assume you to be wandering nearer the Harbor ... but I don't remember Copper Falls, Central or Delaware having modern caps let alone bat cage vents)."
(From Ginny Jamison, 1/31)
"The Bat cover is on the old Petherick Mine off the Central Road (which should be called Petheric Hill). It is on the first road to the left as you ascend the hill from the Eagle Harbor Cut Off Road."
(From Bryan MacKenzie, 2/02)"A Bat Cage that is located off the central road, used to be one of the access points to the Copper Falls mine before the State came through and capped off many older, lesser known mine openings. Spent many a day and night squeezing down an adjacent opening into a stope and wandering the many tunnels, mapping the different openings and matching to one of Monette's many mine books purchased from the bookstore in downtown Houghton. Once we even thought we accessed the tunnel that used to run down the hill to where the stamp sands are located, but it got a little too treacherous to continue with ancient beams and quite a bit of water along the way...this was located about 500-600 ft below the entry level, as we were able to get 9 levels down before hitting the water table."
Always nice to hear Harbor area information...I have attempted to squeeze through more mines up there than I probably should have...just wished I had taken better photography or video functions were as simple back then as they are today!"
(From Al Johnson, 2/4)
"As Tom Ellis and Ginny noted on your web site, this is a bat cage.
It was installed by John McKana around 1996 or 97, as I recall (without
checking my field notes) for International Paper Co. (Lake Superior Land).
I believe it's installation was partly paid for by Bat Conservation
International located in Texas. This shaft is one of the numerous openings
into the Ashbed mine which lies between the Owl Creek Fissure mine to the
east and the Petherick Fissure mine to the west. Both of these fissures
extend NNW-SSE and have many shaft openings. My information lists this as
the Ashbed No. 2 shaft, a vertical shaft. I believe it was an air shaft as
there is no evidence of rock pile remains nearby. The Ashbed mine was a
stope mine within the Ashbed formation which dips 28 degrees to the NNW.
Unlike the fissure mines which mined the near-vertical mineralized fissures,
the Ashbed was a tabular orebody (the ashbed flow). Production records show
that 17,706,352 pounds of copper were recovered from the Ashbed mine
from1858-1893.
The blue steel cylinder sitting above the 10x10 foot shaft was formerly a
steel tank that McKana used "as is". I told John that he should have
painted it camouflage, but I guess that wasn't part of the contract."
(From Beth Van Hoosier, 11/4) I thought for sure the mask/totem was a Heikka Lunta representation ?
(From George Hite, 11/4)
They have never made much sense to me. Five Mile is about five miles (4 & 1/2) to Eagle River (by boat), but it's another three miles to Seven Mile. No wonder there are so many shipwrecks along this coast. Anyone know why they are so named and when the names first appeared?
Not a silly question Sam. Lots of folks ask this question when they look at the Keweenaw Snow Thermometer arrow pointing to 25 feet and they are standing only knee deep in snow. I sent your query along to John Dee, our local snow guru. Here's his response.
"It is the packing or settling of the snow that causes the snow
cover to be only a fraction of what falls. The majority of our snow is of
the Lake Effect variety which is almost always light and fluffy or comprized
mainly of air. Then as new snow falls upon it, the previous snowfall is
compressed and the air is pressed out of it. So you end up with a snowpack
that is very dense and compacted at the bottom and contains little air. I have found that there is about a 6:1 ratio for the compression or
settling of the snow, meaning that 6" of LES will eventually be compacted to 1" over time. Evaporation does lead to a little loss, but that only accounts for about 5% or less of the loss during the winter. Once spring arrives and the temps begin to consistently rise above freezing, then melting and evaporation take over. Incidently, it is possible to have evaporation take place with temps well below freezing. The water molucule just goes from a solid (ice) to a gas (water vapor). The process is called sublimation." (John Dee, 1/10)
A section of the old military road that ran from Fort Wilkins to Green Bay can be found behind the dump (solid waste facility) on the left side of the clearing as you head west. Although it is overgrown and has a lot of dead fall trees accross it, you can follow it to Copper Falls.Pat Ryan
2. Where the heck are the 'Stamp Sands'. The kids of the "new" ice-cream shop near Koop's took me to the stamp sands 10 or more years ago. A few years later I took an unfortunate girl on a hike to find the 'Stamp Sands'. We left at about 5 in the evening got lost at about 6:30 and finally found our way to the highway about a mile west of Cat Harbor. I apologize every time I see that poor girl!
Nice story Trevor. I believe you. My guess is that her folks were more suspect. Anyway, the "stamp sands" are located behind Cat Harbor and Great Sand Bay. It's a vast flat wasteland of the residue from the rock stamping mill which was located at the base of the hill below the Copper Falls Mine. To get there, follow the road that runs past Pine Grove Cemetary west a couple miles. When the road takes a sharp turn to the left and up the hill, you hike to the right a couple hundfred feet and you'll soon arrive at the bluff overlooking the stamp sands. Just to your left are the remains of the stamp mill and Copper Falls creek, which flows out of the old mine shaft, actually mine "adit". The stamp sands are a winter playground for snowmobilers. Some local visionaries have suggested that it might make a great location for the Eagle Harbor International Airport!
3. Any news on the raising of the huge piece of float copper in Great Sand Bay? I heard Copper Harbor is fighting Tech for its final resting place.
"I talked to Bob Barron, staff/curator of the Seaman Mineral Museum, 3 summers ago, and he had talked of the float copper. I believe that he found the float copper in Sand Bay while he was SCUBA diving. There has been slight rumor, by a few geo. people, that the float copper will
eventually be displayed somewhere on Tech's campus -- possibly on the
north-bound side of US 41 as one is entering campus, near Lot 9 and
McNair Hall, where there is already a Michigan Tech sign. First the float copper needs to be lifted out of Sand Bay onto a barge, probably by the Army Core of Engineers. The next problem is transporting the copper overland. I say problem, because it is supposedly very big. Also the cost is a factor.
As for Copper Harbor/Tech fighting over it, I have no idea." (Tim Dombrowski
3rd year Geological Engineering Horak/Mugford Cottage, 1/24)
In a large bowl, combine flour, butter and salt. Blend ingredients until well combined and add water, one tablespoon at a time to form the dough. Toss mixture until it forms a ball. Kneed dough lightly against a smooth surface with heel of the hand tp distribute fat eveningly. Form into a ball, dust with flower, wrap in wax paper and chill for 30 minutes.
Filling: Combine all ingredients in large bowl. Devide the dough into 6 pieces, and roll one of the [ieces into a 10-inch round on a lightly flowered surface. Put 1 1/2 cups of filling on half of the round. Moisten the edges and fold the unfilled half over the filling to enclose it. Pinch the edges together to seal them and crimp them decoratively with a fork. Transfer pasty to lightly buttered baking sheet and cut several slits in the top. Roll out and fill remaining dough in the same manner. Bake in preheated 350 degree oven for 30 minutes. Put 1 tsp. butter through a slit in each pasty and continue baking for 30 minutes more. Remove from oven, cover with a damp tea towel, cool for 15 minutes.
Less than a half a pound of lard
I don't think she ever identified a procedure--the ingredients were mystery
enough!?
As you can see, this could be passed on to anyone without fear that they
could duplicate her results.
There is supposed to be a saying in Cornwall that the devil wouldn't cross
the Tamar River (the northern boundary) for fear they'd cut him up and put
him in a pasty. But in the pasty gospel according to Ralph (when he wasn't
telling stories to children as Popeye Rock alleges), a pasty should contain
round or flank steak, cut, not ground, into pieces.
Tom Ellis swears that his mother chipped the potatos and rutabagas with a
spoon. He actually did that a week or two ago and it worked. (Jean Ellis)
Ah, the Summer of '59. Who Are The Folks In That Famous Harbor Beach Scene Photo?
(From Scott & Angie, 1/30)
"It's the "BAT CAVE" cover (over an old mine shaft, air outlet)
in the bush around Copper Falls"
"I made the photo bigger and am guessing it is a vent for one of the local mines??" (Beth Van Hoosier, 1/30)
Very interesting, Bryan. I, too, when more nimble and adventuresome, crawled through these workings. There is however, some confusion as to whether the shaft this cage sits upon was part of the Copper Falls mine workings. Many believe it's part of the Petherick mine. I believe it's both. Originally opened by the Copper Falls Mining Company as a part of its East Vein workings and then in 1861, when Copper Falls Co organized the Petherick Mining Company, the East Vein workings all became part of the new company. (The Copper Falls Co retained the workings to the east, near Owl Creek.) However, the shaft location map in Don Clarke's booklet on the Copper Falls Co , does show a couple shafts just west of Owl Creek, not far from the Central Road but outside the Petherick boundary. One of them might be the "bat house" shaft.
"That's good to know, I had not researched the Petherick Mine. We accessed the mine at the base of the "copper falls" up the hill from where Fred Geis' new home is located a couple of times during dry season, but mostly accessed through a series of groundwater openings through a stope "winze" approximately 50 yds from where the main track shaft accessed the varying levels. It has been a couple years since I went up to the bat cage, but I know while they were building it, they had capped the location we used to access into the stope, but had dug out the collapsed portion of the track shaft and placed the cage over that. There used to be a large cable flywheel just below where the cage is located at the top of the tracks. We would have continued to use the waterfall entrance, but the water and freeze keeps opening and closing that entrance to the mine and it also was very dangerous. It was a tight squeeze down a short chute, with a 2-ft drop to rest your feet and climb out to the right, but a 20-ft drop into darkness if you leaned left...needless to say, we didn't prefer going in that way and once we knew the layout from inside, secured that as an exit of last resort. The portion of the mine under the waterfall that lead down toward the tunnel we believed went to the stamp sands was isolated from the larger section of the mine where the bat cage is located through a short tunnel that collapsed between times we visited. We were able to squeeze through the collapse once, and mark our way, but each return trip the chute appeared smaller and smaller and therefore less interesting to those of us who would like to make a return trip to the Cliff View or Vansville! Who Is This Guy? (10/31/08)
Just a couple blocks from downtown Eagle Harbor, this brightly painted carving sits high in a tree trunk. What's the story? Who carved it, and why?
(From Charles & Lillian Hadler, 11/01)"Surprised to see our "mask" on your site on Sat. Nov.1. It's been up there on that tree for years. We found him at a flea market in Lincoln, Illinois about 15yrs. ago.and couldn't resist moving him to Eagle Harbor. That's his story as far as we know." What Happended to the Eagle Harbor Life Saving Station?
Built In 1910-1912, It Disappeared in The 1950s. What happened To It? " Chuck, the big white house moved across the harbor and now next to the lighthouse was part of the Navy radio/compass station and sat over near the current recreational boat ramp. You can see it in the attached photo of the original boathouse - it's on the right edge of the photo. The Station house is to the left of the boathouse. Most believe the Station house was simply torn down when the station was closed in the early 1950s."
(From Chuck Rowe, 11/1) " I'm about 99% sure where the "Eagle Harbor Life Saving Station" is located! If you look at Neil Harri's air photo of the Eagle Harbor Light Station you will see the light house and two additional houses -- one of them, the white one, is the actual "STATION." We have photos in the "Tower and Lantern" showing the complete "STATION" on a large barge being towed by a tug boat from one side of the harbor to the other."
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Who Can Tell Us Where This Eagle Harbor Lakeshore Arch Rock Is Located ? (1/30/05)
Clues: An Old Post Card Calls It "Lone Pine Arch" and Charlotte Catoni Is The Photographer(click to enlarge)Arch Rock " Is where Steve Kellow would have ended up back in 1977 if Shear Pin Reef hadn't of stopped him............ Scottie Robinson, starring as navigator,
first class! So much for Silver Island.(MRL, 2/15)
I'm not sure about this. Perhaps, but the reefs are less than a mile offshore.
This makes sense. I suspect it's the real explanation. Thanks to Dan and Chuck.
Cougars
Source: Keweenaw County Road Commission's Official Snow Measurer
They have five of them, plus two older units in reserve. Each has a two man crew; one drives, the other operates the big wing plow.
(Click plow to enlarge)
The military road is the one that runs around Grand Marias through Godell's property and by the new houses. It runs by the new
house at Silver River and through Kipfer's property. I think it did
run all of the way to Copper Harbor. Sue Adams.
"Hi Trevor. Go to www.execpc.com/~bbaillod/kindex.html for the story of the cars that were salvaged from the Lake." (Jean McGrath)
(Editor) For a fascinating family memory of this event go to The City of Bangor Wreck
My friend, Sue Adams, was enthralled with those Cincinnati Boys that
stayed in Delaware for many years. She will enlighten us with her
memories. I believe they were from a Catholic Boys high school. We
would sit for hours on the porch of Rudy and Mary's store waiting for a
glimpse of them. One time, Cathy Milford and I had the honor of going
with our fathers to Delaware. The men were planning the annual Eagle
Harbor baseball game. Our 12 or 13 year old hormones were a humming. And,
of course, back at the Harbor, our status was temporarily elevated. I
believe they built the new cabin near Bette Gries or on the road to Gay
while I was in my late teens. (Liz Benson, 3/6)
Yes, many of them do return for visits, and last summer, two of the
Buckeyes of the 50's spent a few days here, Pete Speed, and Jerry
Doerger. Barb Sickler, Mary Beyers, and several of us did catch up on
news after 40 years. Joe Hellner, came up every summer, even after the
Buckeye Barracks was torn down. He spent his last years at a new
location, between LacLabelle, and Gay. He was a wonderful man, and even
now the Buckeyes hold an annual Golf Tournament in Cincinnati, in Joe's
memory.
To this day, we will remember the good times we had with those Buckeye
Boys from Ohio!!! (Mary K.[Carlton] Masnado/ 3/6)Fish Tug: "Trawlers 50 feet and longer catch smelt, herring, and trout. Smaller fishing vessels work pond nets. Some areas also have gill net fish tugs similar in appearence, but often much larger."(Bob Masnado, from web search, 1/30)
3 c, flour
1 1/2 sticks butter (cold and cut into bits)
1 1/2 tsp. salt
6 tbsp. water
1 lb. round steak, coursely ground
1 lb. boneless pork loin, coursely ground
5 carrots, chopped
2 lg. onions, chopped
2 potatoes, peeled and chopped
1/2 c. rutabaga, chopped
1/2 tsp. pwpper
What courage you have taking on the ultimate pasty recipe! May I add my
mother's crust recipe?
3 to 3 1/2 cups of flour
A palm of salt
Enough water to make it feel right.
The Harbor Q & A Archive. Check it out!
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What's The History Of The "Cutoff Road" To Eagle Harbor?
The Popeye Rock Story
Did "Big Jim" MacNaughton Have A Cottage At Agate Harbor?
Eagle Harbor...A Guts Frisbee Mecca?
Why Sidewalks In Eagle Harbor?
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